When and how were you radicalized?
I'll go first. Heard Die for your Government, by antiflag when I was 12 or so, and it's all been down hill from there.
This was way more popular that I anticipated. It's given me a lot to think on, and I will probably be submitting an essay on my own radicalization to a zine soon. Thanks y'all.
@slipperywerm Very cool of you! If you publish it, let us know how to get the zine?
@slipperywerm Iraqi invasion. It really had an affect. The second one likely lead more to nihilism
@whiskeysailor yup. That'll do it for sure.
@slipperywerm my father was a reservist in the Navy and when they started calling up reservist for the war I was worried especially as the news was full of how it could be so bloody (it was just not on the USA/allied side) and I couldn't understand why my father should die for this (wasn't called up in the end).
@whiskeysailor damn. Yeah, having that be so close to home can definitely be an awakening.
@SunSaint hell yeah Bea. I'm sure you radicalized a bunch of folks too.
@slipperywerm going to teacher's strike/ school budget cut protests when I was in middle school.
Then, The Spartacist League when I was 17. (I grew out of that one, thankfully)
@gattogateaux that's really cool, awesome that you've been active that long!
@slipperywerm eh. I haven't been "active" in a while tho. Mostly just trying to evolve/inform my family's political views. That probably counts for something tho
@gattogateaux still, it creates a good backdrop for your awareness of issues that so many lack
@slipperywerm 1992, age 13: my school district considered switching to year-round school. Kids at my middle school staged a walkout and got the media to show up. We were threatened with suspension if we didn't go back inside. Plenty of us stayed outside and got suspended. And kept sitting there, talking to local reporters. And the world went on.
For whatever reason, the district didn't change the school year. I learned authorities can be made to blink.
@slipperywerm It wasn't so much that the issue was dire. It's that I learned what "calling someone's bluff" meant. It was like learning magic.
@erosdiscordia direct action gets the goods
@slipperywerm And also, Mastodon, last fall.
You all finally convinced me that 10 years of poverty weren't my fault. I will never be able to put into words what that's done for my life. 💜
@erosdiscordia hell yeah. Poverty is someone's fault, but never the fault of the impoverished.
@slipperywerm Thanks, friend. That was a lesson a long time coming. And I had to get rid of my own judgment of poor people first.
@slipperywerm Still working on it.
Insecure-middle-class upbringing is basically heavy vaccination against class consciousness.
@erosdiscordia we're all works in progress
same as most folks, i reckon. some 15 year-old working at McDonalds told me they stopped serving breakfast five minutes ago.
nah but seriously it's hard to say. like i remember as a very young kid in catholic school thinking how a lot of what we were being told didn't just sound ludicrous, but it sounded implausible in a very lazy manner at that.
i think the notion that the systems and structures around us are based on inaccurate premises just kinda picked up momentum from then on.
but seriously SERIOUSLY i could have really gone for a hash brown patty.
@jackdaw_ruiz I could go for that right now myself.
@jackdaw_ruiz yeah, I think finally seeing all the shakey nonsense that our early reality is based on, seems to be a turning point for a lot of people.
@jackdaw_ruiz upsetting to discover that all day breakfast has turned JD into a reactionary.
it's the best example one can point to illustrate the infinite wisdom of the market!
@jackdaw_ruiz McDonald's is just trash overall, but their breakfast is pretty good and I'd rather have that than their burgers. Nationalize McDonald's and turn it into a breakfast joint.
@slipperywerm JP Morgan gave the NYPD a cash infusion right before they busted up zucotti park. didnt take long for me to figure it out from there
@dankwraith wow that's flat out disgusting, unsurprising, and needs to never happen.
This is the kind of shit where 50 years down the road, people sue and get compensation. It was a government-instigated social experiment on kids. Shit.
@slipperywerm i think the very first seed was during Operation Desert Storm when i learned what a war was, and my parents told me that we could do nothing about it. That inner Fuck You still resonates very distinctly in me.
But then, to answer your answer more literally: Here and now, and forever.
@tethre hell yeah, I definitely lacked an understanding of how terrible war was back then. I was a dumb kid tricked by f(l)ashy media.
@slipperywerm it's been a long time, so i don't remember exactly how it happened. i started realizing things were bullshit in my mid-teens and the themes and messages from left-aligned bands like KMFDM, Rammstein, System of a Down, and Rage Against the Machine spurred me into actually looking further into that kind of thing and it just snowballed from there. By 16 or 17, I was identifying as a communist, and not to be edgy or ironic.
@slipperywerm actually, sociology class when i was 16 had us read fast food nation by eric schlosser and that had an impact as well, since it goes pretty heavily into the socioeconomic mechanisms at work behind the fast food industry and everything it touches and that was pretty eye-opening.
@extinct the music and books thing really echoes my personal experiences with radical politics!
@slipperywerm I was 9 and they doubled the price of freddos
@sophia I'm not sure what a freddo is, but that sounds tragic.
@slipperywerm Literally memes
@witchfynder_finder the memes of production are good memes
@slipperywerm 1993, listening to Bill Clinton blame outrageously expensive healthcare on insurance companies...and then in almost the same breath he proposed giving everyone private health insurance, in effect subsidizing the very scumbags he just got done excoriating. That was a major political turning point for me.
Full disclosure, as a teenager in the late 80's I was conservative, even to the point of listening to Limbaugh. I'm not proud of it, but it happened.
@kmckaig we all grow and change. Neoliberalism is fucked and I'm glad it was your spark.
@slipperywerm two stages. About 13 years ago when I decided that thinking most people were shit was predestining them to being shit to me and about 11 years ago when I realized that the democratic party as it was was never gonna fix anything to a degree worth writing home about
@SanfordianPhil hell yeah Phil. I am in agreement that there needs to be a new party to go after any hope of fixing things via electoralism
@slipperywerm I think now it's possible and probably easier overall to make the party take a hard left into at least social democratic territory. But it requires alot of people getting involved at the local level which itself is a huge undertaking. But we'll see
@SanfordianPhil i have no idea. Pretty sure the right wing of the Democratic party will try and blow everything up rather than give us a dime or a right to live with dignity.
@slipperywerm that's a good question.
I always had a sense that the moral solution laid, like, as far left as I could imagine, but for a long time my imagination just didn't go very far. like, material analysis caught fire with me immediately because it always seemed obvious to me that people have to *eat*, be clothed, be cared for, and be safe and that something was seriously wrong with any system that failed to ensure that.
I have to say that splitting my online life between rad-liberal Tumblr on the one hand and the hardcore fascists, racists, misogynists etc. on rapidly-radicalizing 4chan as that crowd developed into what we now call the alt-right, gave me a definite spin towards leftism-as-such because it was just so obvious that the radlibs didn't HAVE any useful response to the rising reactionary movement.
but I was also being gay among gays/left-leaning teens in high school, and then that intensified in college. my brother definitely helped, being a Marxist himself.
@byttyrs that's really awesome that you had family to help guide you through that. Also very glad you were able to break away from the chan bullshit!
@slipperywerm yeah, I dunno! I dunno why other people went righter and I went lefter except I spent the whole time I was there yelling at people
@byttyrs I can't really explain how the split broke down. I was on 4chan in the nid aughts, went to military college, and became some sort of anarcho commie. Probably just boils down to something inside of us?
@slipperywerm when i learned you had to pay for getting medical help, i was in the end of elementary school when my parents taught me that
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